Home Discussions Workshop Market Broadcasts. Change language. Install Steam. Store Page. Sonic Mania Store Page. Global Achievements. Spearmint View Profile View Posts. What's the problem if you bought the game and didn't pirate?
It's nobodies fault that people don't want their game pirated Or are all you PC gamers just poor? Showing 1 - 15 of 42 comments. So then In some way Denuvo stills being managed by Sony Corp. Miraglyth View Profile View Posts. Originally posted by Spearmint :. I'll tell you the two reasons why I'm personally against Denuvo. Denuvo makes it so a game can expire. I hate dual layer DRM.
With backwards compatibility on consoles ps4 especially their games have an "expiry" date too. Once the system are no longer in production and the one they own fails, no more games. Valve going under would render all your games bar the ones on your system already useless.A sister product, Denuvo Anti-Cheat, was announced in March and first used with Doom Eternal following a patch on 14 May Games protected by Denuvo require an online activation.
Denuvo has been criticised for high CPU usage and excessive writing operations on storage components, the latter causing significant life-span reductions for solid-state drives SSDs. Denuvo Software Solutions has denied both claims.
In JulyDenuvo Software Solutions filed a lawsuit against Voksi, a 21 year old Bulgarian hacker who had cracked several Denuvo-protected games. In DecemberJoel Hruska of ExtremeTech compared the performance of multiple games with Denuvo enabled and disabled, and found that the games tested had significantly higher frame rates and lower loading times when Denuvo was not used.
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Why is Denuvo so hated?
Archived from the original on 18 May Home Discussions Workshop Market Broadcasts. Change language. Install Steam. Store Page. Global Achievements. I don't get it? I tried to search it on google but couldn't really find it and the things i found i couldn't really understand.
Showing 1 - 15 of comments. Tintler View Profile View Posts. SE does not patch their game example : Nier When Denuvo servers go offline in a point 2 or 3 years later you can no longer play your game. It's need to be patched and removed. I don't think SE going to care about it. I'm not saying you can't play the game offline. It's need to phone the servers when it's phoned you are fine until your token expires.
Hardware changes and windows updates triggers expire of tokens. I don't believe Denuvo causes perfomance issues. Here ya go chief! You change your CPU for instance, denuvo is a program that analazyes the current set up you have and authorizes it with its server. As you can imagine, this is quite problematic for 3 reasons: 1. You change parts often 2. The anti-piracy stops working efficiently 3. Denuvo causes probelms with performance of the games Currently we have 2nd case scenario, and gaming industry is known for not caring about it's customers, therefore bottom line is, if there isnt a server to authorize your rig, you game is useless to you, you have no proprietary rights to the game at all.
In other words, Piracy wins this war, because they always can reinstall the game and it will always work offline or online. Last edited by The Tempted Man ; 2 Mar, pm. Kozar View Profile View Posts. Originally posted by Tintler :.
Two things. Denuvo needs to be online every so often or you get locked out of the entire game you payed for. That means if their servers go offline you can't even play single player story mode.
Denuvo has a non-zero performance impact mainly on the CPU. That can mean the difference between smooth perfomance and stutters for someone with a weaker CPU.
Lastely, it's only the paying customers who are being punished with these issues. If you go out and pirate the game, you wont have to deal with either of them. It's not, this happens every time you get new drm, i remember when every one hated steam now they all seem to be fanboys. I am going to guess no. After tech experts came out and said it was incredibly unlikely to the point of impossible for Denuvo to do this these other claims started appearing. Basically the horrible things Denuvo does changes depending on what the people who want Anti - Piracy software to disappear can get away with saying it does.Last year, Denuvo argued that cracking and pirating games is inevitable, and its main goal "is to protect initial sales" before cracks are released.
But with Bethesda's Rage 2 defanged of its DRM in less than 24 hours, that promise isn't holding up well in In this case, a weakness in Denuvo's security wasn't actually to blame.
According to posts on the CrackWatch subreddit, while the Steam version of Rage 2 shipped with Denuvo, the. That strange oversight or choice on Bethesda's part gave crackers a way in. Access to a clean executable seemingly made it trivial to release a crack that bypassed Rage 2's online check-in at launch. Crackers didn't even have to wade into Denuvo's code to pirate Rage 2, and it's sadly common for games that don't have strong copy protection to be cracked on release day, according to CrackWatch.
But looking at other Denuvo games released this year, the DRM doesn't seem to be holding up as well as it did in the past, even without slip-ups like Bethesda's. Of this year's Denuvo releases tracked on Crackwatch, there are a rare few that remain uncracked, like Anno a month old.
Some other uncracked games like Mortal Kombat 11 and The Division 2 will probably never be cracked, not because they can't be, but because their online connectivity renders a crack especially difficult or pointless.
Scrolling down intoand the crack times are generally much longer.
Init was common for Denuvo cracks to take weeks or months, with some big exceptions like a day zero crack for Final Fantasy Inmultiple Denuvo games have been available to pirate the same week they launched. Launch day may be the most important for sales, but six days is still a very narrow window for DRM to be effective.
Only about a dozen games have launched with Denuvo this year, at least according to Crackwatch, but those that have been cracked have been cracked fast. If Denuvo's main value really is in fending off piracy at launch, it might be time for publishers to reconsider whether less than a week of protection is worth it, considering how unpopular Denuvo is with PC gamers. Please deactivate your ad blocker in order to see our subscription offer. Outside games like those, Crackwatch doesn't paint a great picture for Denuvo in Rage 2 cracked: Day 0 non-Denuvo.
Wes Fenlon. See comments. Topics Piracy.For years, there have been persistent rumors that solutions like Denuvo have a negative impact on overall PC game performance. Denuvo has strongly pushed back on these claims, as have game publishers, for obvious reasons. Said willingness to put up with hoop-jumping starts vanishing quickly once the DRM becomes overly intrusive or starts having a negative impact on system performance.
The channel has put together an extensive video showing the impact of Denuvo both before and after the capability has been patched out by various game vendors. Next, here are some targeted results. In this chart, s stands for seconds, ms refers to millisecond frame times lower is betterand FPS is self-explanatory:. In virtually every case, Denuvo has a negative impact on performance in one regard or another. Level load times are significantly longer.
Frame rates are lower. In one case, the maximum frame time is more than 2. A 58ms frame is already an incredibly low dip, but a ms frame time is simply absurd.
How Denuvo is tackling cheaters who think outside the box
Judging by the results Overlord Gaming recorded, Denuvo tends to hit minimum frame times more heavily than average fps. The performance impact of Denuvo is more than just a minor hiccup. While this will always be title-specific, it arguably feeds the perception that PCs are overly expensive gaming platforms that require far more horsepower than consoles in order to perform effectively. This site may earn affiliate commissions from the links on this page.
Suffice it to say that Denuvo was once thought to be an unbeatable DRM, except that in the past few months the timeline for breaking through it and cracking the games it is supposed to protect has been whittled down to mere days. Through it all, Denuvo has made noise about the benefit of keeping games protected even for those first few days when games initially are released.Why developers don't remove Denuvo even after their games are cracked
Thanks to a new player in the group battling against Denuvo, it seems that claim may come to a dramatic and violent end. This chiefly has to do with the way a group calling itself SteamPunks cracked the Denuvo-protected game Dishonored 2. Rather than simply pre-crack remove the protection from Dishonored 2 and then deliver it to the public, the SteamPunks release appears to contain code which enables the user to generate Denuvo licenses on a machine-by-machine basis.
While that enormous feat remains to be seen, there is an unusual amount of excitement surrounding this release and the emergence of the previously unknown SteamPunks. In the words of one Reddit user, the group has delivered the cracking equivalent of The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, yet no one appears to have had any knowledge of them before yesterday.
Only adding to the mystery is the lack of knowledge relating to how their tool works. Perhaps ironically, perhaps importantly, SteamPunks have chosen to protect their code with VMProtect, the software system that Denuvo itself previously deployed to stop people reverse-engineering its own code. Now, VMProtect is the security software that Denuvo is currently being accused of having used within Denuvo without properly licensing it. That accusation was made semi-anonymously on internet forums by a purported VMProtect employee.
Shortly after that accusation, both Denuvo and VMProtect seemed to indicate that the claims were not accurate, with VMProtect going as far as to say everything was now properly licensed. It also indicated that Denuvo had the proper licensing for its use in the past, though whether that was applied retroactively through a more recent purchase of licensing isn't entirely clear. Because of all of that combined with SteamPunks using VMProtect in a keygen aimed at destroying Denuvo, many are drawing the obvious conclusion: there's some relationship between SteamPunks and VMProtect, possibly from a disgruntled current or former employee.
That's speculation, of course. Less speculative is what the future holds for Denuvo if this keygen works as advertised. Denuvo would barely be a roadblock against piracy, meaning it may be time to start chiseling its tombstone. Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community. Techdirt is one of the few remaining truly independent media outlets. We do not have a giant corporation behind us, and we rely heavily on our community to support us, in an age when advertisers are increasingly uninterested in sponsoring small, independent sites — especially a site like ours that is unwilling to pull punches in its reporting and analysis.
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Thank you. Filed Under: crackingdenuvodrm. Subscribe: RSS. View by: Time Thread. You seem to have forgotten that customers, not pirates, are the ones paying for games and DRM has never made me more willing to spend money. You're not entitled to my purchase any more than I'm entitled to your content.
More to the point of the article, DRM only affects legitimate customers because pirates will inevitably crack the game anyway. Why would I want to fund your futile efforts to combat piracy when the only thing it accomplishes is removing value from the product I'm paying money for? In last week's story Denuvo was headed for the cliff. This week they went over it, Wile E. Coyote style. It died pretty conclusively in the music industry.The rise of service-based games and esports has created fertile ground for cheaters, and while it may damage player experience, it's also bad for business.
With more and more developers turning to in-game monetisation, these numbers should be of concern, especially when considering that nearly half of players are negatively impacted by cheating at one point or another.
We're all gamers at the end of the day, and we like to have a fair playground. Denuvo -- which was last year acquired by security platform Irdeto -- recently launched a new anti-cheat system which uses hardware security features offered by Intel and AMD, combined with machine learning to maximise cheating detection and minimise false positives.
Over the last few years, Denuvo has drawn the ire of gamers for how its anti-piracy tech reportedly hurt the performance of certain games, such as Tekken 7, Rime, and Sonic Mania. There shouldn't be any lag". However, Fischer is confident that new anti-cheat tech won't have won't negatively impact gameplay.
There shouldn't be any lag," he said, leaving open the idea that other areas of the game -- such as load times -- might be affected. It does raise an interesting conundrum as to how much a publisher might be willing to sacrifice in order to protect its game and revenue. If potentially longer loading times are all that's at stake, is it reasonable trade-off for clamping down on cheaters who fundamentally undermine the gaming experience?
Cheats are also getting more sophisticated, a problem made worse by just how profitable cheating software has become for its developers. While some are making just a few thousand dollars a month -- not a bad haul for one person -- others are reportedly pulling in millions of dollars a year.
However, the black market nature of the business makes it impossible to accurately track. So it becomes easier for them to market it and get exposure, or to get a userbase with people to actually buy the cheat, which then gives them a means and motivation to maintain that cheat and to keep it undetected. They didn't go undetected because we did find them in the end, but by looking at those type of cheats, you can see that people have really thought outside of the box. Denuvo highlighted some of the more advanced means of cheating.
The standout example was a middle-man program which pulled sensitive data from the game, such as enemy player positions, and displayed it on a second screen device like a smartphone. Another example are aim-bots which emulate human behaviour, such as a certain level of inaccuracy.
This is achieved by using machine learning to study skilled streamers, and set the parameters for what is an acceptable level of skill.
The ingenuity of these cheats is how difficult they are to detect.